WHY CHRISTIANS DON'T GET RESPECT

One complaint I've often seen from Christians is that atheists--particularly the so-called "New Atheists"--are rude, disrespectful, and stereotype Christians. Supposedly, a lot of atheists would rather flame you than argue with you, and are inconsistent with their self-proclaimed intellectualism by resorting to insults and smears instead of logic. Let's look at this.

First off, it needs to be said that most Christians don't know how to argue. This itself stems from a basic inability to reason. Here's a secret; do you want to know the foundation of all civilized conversation? Context. Simple context. When someone makes a point, it is logical and mature to address that point. This is how scientists, engineers, doctors, historians, martial artists and other experts converse with each other over ideas. However, when you fail to address that point and either A), make something up that your colleague/opponent did not say, and claim that they said it, or B), take something they did say out of context--i.e., "I accept evolution," "Well, accepting evolution makes you racist, because Darwin was racist"--you have failed the debate and conceded defeat. Why? Because both of the aforementioned tactics are illogical, immature, and worse, dishonest. If you can't be honest, then there's no point in talking to you, because you won't admit that you're wrong, regardless of what the other person says. This stupid, immature, and dishonest behavior is known by many names, but "faith" is the most common one. Here's an example of Christian "reasoning" at work. Below is the exchange between an atheist and a Christian in the comments section of a video covering C.S. Lewis' arguments on free will and determinism.

[cidvisions]The Judeo-Christian god is self refuting. Any being which is omniscient and omnipotent could conceive of and create a universe where free will existed and evil did not. If you say that god was required to include evil in this universe then you are saying that he is not all powerful or not smart enough to figure out a way to make it that did not require it. Just because you can't conceive of a way to do it doesn't mean an omniscient being couldn't.

[elunico13]How do you say anything is evil without the Christian God?
Is the extortion of money from parents through the torture of their child evil???
My answer is yes, because all 3 are made in the image of their creator.
Try to justify that without God. You'll only be able to make shallow sense of it.

 Evil without god is easy. That is just the reality of a deterministic universe. The fact remains that the christian god is supposed to be smart enough and powerful enough to create a universe which has free will but contains no evil. If he did not do this then he wanted evil to be in the universe. Nothing can enter the universe without his knowledge and approval. If he let evil in then he is malevolent.

If the universe was deterministic then you couldn't argue against evil nor know what it is. When you compare determinism with other theories and choose your favorite, you're being inconsistent with determinism.
If you assume the reality of evil, then you have to assume the biblical God exists.
Take the fact of evil away and you don't have an argument at all.
The extortion of money from parents through the torture of their child must have your approval then.

 You forget that the form of the universe is arbitrary in the eyes of the designer. Pain and suffering are only required in a universe with physical matter. Your god could simply change the laws of physics so that we would be beings of pure energy. Sure I would miss beer and BJs but I would give all that up if it meant no woman or child was ever raped again. To assuage your semantics issues I will define evil as unnecessary suffering of the innocent for this discussion.

As a determinist you have to acknowledge that rape is just the way things are. It has your approval because, in your own words,
//"That is just the reality of a deterministic universe"//
If children are tortured, it has your approval also.
"it's just the reality of a deterministic universe".
Pain and suffering..
"it's just the reality of a deterministic universe".
It all has cidvisions approval.
Let's be consistent, right?

 

 A classic example of the straw-man attack. Instead of addressing what your opponent said, go off-topic and accuse him of endorsing immoral behavior, thus conveniently allowing you to slip away from addressing his arguments. Dishonest, illogical, and cowardly, and many Christians do this sort of thing every day. Of course, it's far more prevalent amongst evangelical/fundamentalist types than others, and some Christians are thankfully more intelligent than this. And of course, how mature is it to goad people into becoming angry, and then trying to use that anger against them, i.e., "you obviously hate God, hur durr", despite the fact that it is patently impossible to hate something that you don't believe exists? Not at all.

And the straw-men/Ad Hominems don't stop there. What about the propaganda Christians have been printing and disseminating about atheists and other non-Christians for centuries? Most students of history have heard of the "blood Libel". In the Middle Ages, this was a racial stereotype of Jews that maintained they kidnapped and murdered Gentile babies, so that they could use their blood to bake their unleavened bread for Passover. This itself is just rehashed propaganda that conservative Romans flung at the early Christians in Rome (the Communion sacraments, where the bread becomes Christ's body, and the communal wine becomes his blood, was misinterpreted either deliberately or accidentally by pagans). So, here is the question; why would the Saved, the Elect, the Chosen Ones, the children of God, those imbued with the Holy Spirit, degrade themselves and besmirch their God's good name by telling lies about people who didn't share their convictions? For centuries? And more importantly, why would they persist in slandering non-Christians well into the modern era?

Modern propaganda against atheists, just to cite one example since I myself am an atheist, and it would take a whole volume or more to cover the various slanders against non-Christian religions, consists of several cheap attacks. The most common is to conflate atheists with Communists, particularly the violent Soviet variety who tortured and murdered millions of people in their countries. Example; "If these secularists ever get control, we'll see what atheists are really like--just look at atheists like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot". Here's the issue; Communism is an ideology, and a philosophy, with it's own ethics and doctrines regarding everything from religion, the economy, the role of the state, justice, banking, commerce, foreign policy, domestic policy, education, science, and pretty much everything else. Atheism is a rejection of belief in/disbelief in gods. No more, no less. Communism incorporates atheism as it's stance on religion, but unlike atheism, which is essentially a freethinker's conclusion like agnosticism or deism, Communism leaves no room for questioning. In every country it's been incorporated in, Communism has overthrown deities and replaced them/him/her with a new god; the State, which reigns supreme and is above question. Basically, it's a secular fundamentalist cult, replacing the mindless routine of traditional religion with the equally mindless routine of obeying the State in every matter without thought or question. And let's not forget the fact that some Communist leaders like Kim Jong Il have actually set themselves up as gods, including myths attributing supernatural powers to them. In these cases, it's not even the State that is worshiped, but the leader themselves. And to top it off, not a single one of these communist leaders killed people in the name of atheism. Not once. Instead, they killed people in the name of "progress", or "justice". The point; regardless of what hacks like Jack Chick or John Hagee say, communism=/=atheism.

And of course, there are others, many others. Like circular logic. If I were to say that God doesn't exist because an atheist book I read said so, would that be a logical statement? No. Why? Because it's an appeal to authority fallacy and an example of circular logic. So, what justifies saying the bible is true because it says it's true? Like saying that Adam and Eve were real or the Great Flood really happened because they're in the bible? One stupid and immature thing Christians frequently do that pisses off atheists is when they claim that atheists are fools, and then try to "prove" this by quoting Psalms 14;1, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God". If that isn't circular logic--i.e., bullshit--then what is? Needless to say, if I were ever to start my own cult, whether as a way to stroke a God Complex or simply to fuck the I.R.S., the first thing I'd write into my "scripture" would be a nice little Ad Hominem depicting everyone who disagrees with my claims as corrupt, stupid, and evil. It's not like anyone with an I.Q. over the single digits would ever fall for such a blatant trick, right?

Then there's historical revision. This one pisses me off as much as creationism does, because it's goal is the same; to lie, twist facts, cherry-pick data, and try to brainwash people into buying this disinformation and spreading it further afield in order to advance an agenda. Case in point; Christianity is responsible for laying the foundations of modern science, and for all of the great achievements of Western Civilization. In truth, this claim is so obviously biased and myopic that only the most hopelessly ignorant could ever accept it. The foundations of science can be summed up as critical thought, skepticism, experimentation; the method through which scientists test the merits of an idea by holding it to rigorous and thorough standards of proof. This method was NOT pioneered by Christians, but by the ancient Greeks like Archimedes, Pythagoras, and Hippocates, the father of medicine. To see some fascinating examples of Greek science, click here. And it wasn't just the scientific method or medicine that we owe to the Greeks; we also owe them democracy, which they formalized before anyone else (that we know of), and the great tradition of poetry and literature, like the Epics. And let us not forget architecture, which in later centuries would improved upon by the Romans, and then the Christians to build magnificent castles and cathedrals. Did Christians develop and contribute to these things? Yes. But they did not invent them. In fact, there was a very long period, the Dark Ages, where they made very little progress in these areas at all thanks to the theocratic stranglehold of the Church over every facet of society, not so different from modern totalitarianism. In fact, if not for the efforts of the Arabs and Moors who kept Greek works alive in Islamic culture, Western Civilization may have never recovered from the Christian Dark Ages. After all, the Renaissance was essentially just a re-discovery of ideas set forth by the Greeks, preserved and improved in the Arab world, and brought back to Europe by returning Crusaders.

 The point of this post is thus; the reason atheists (and many other non-Christians) don't respect Christians is because they don't deserve it. Sure, not all of you do this. Some Christians leave immature logical fallacies, historical revisionism, science denial, and name-calling to their fundamentalist counterparts. But enough of you do participate in and encourage this type of behavior that it's given your whole religion a bad name amongst other people. Respect is earned, not given. Some Christians I've argued with have at least some degree of my respect, because they don't try to insult me or smear me, and they are usually honest enough to admit when they don't know how to refute a point; but the majority I've argued with are the complete opposite. When you stop lying though your teeth and start arguing at least on a high school level and not well below it, you'll have some respect. Until then, grow up.

THE TEXAS GOP SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON

These worthless, subhuman fuck-puddles should be indicted for treason. Why, you ask. Why should such drastic steps be taken? Well, I'll tell you why. Because they want to lobotomize your kids into useful idiots for the Religious Reich.

Exhibit A in favor of their incarceration: http://www.tfn.org/site/DocServer/2012-Platform-Final.pdf?docID=3201

Here's a few quotes from their platform; "Controversial Theories – We support objective teaching and equal treatment of all sides of scientific theories. We believe theories such as life origins and environmental change should be taught as challengeable scientific theories subject to change as new data is produced. Teachers and students should be able to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these theories openly and without fear of retribution or discrimination of any kind."

They already are, you retards. In my geology class, everyone could question the processes under discussion, which frequently included evolution. Nobody was ever shouted down, punished, threatened, or mocked; in fact, our professor, Phil, encouraged us to ask away. But of course, having probably never set foot in a college, what can you possibly know about it? And we all know that this is just a Trojan Horse for you morons to try and sneak creationism in on. But this is only the least of their assaults on logic, truth, and freedom.

 "American Identity Patriotism and Loyalty – We believe the current teaching of a multicultural curriculum is divisive. We favor strengthening our common American identity and loyalty instead of political correctness that nurtures alienation among racial and ethnic groups. Students should pledge allegiance to the American and Texas flags daily to instill patriotism."

That's right! Who wants or needs to know about the million different times and ways we fucked over minorities in this country? This is AMER-RI-CUH!! WHITE FOLKS' SHIT DON'T STINK!! So, historical revision for political ends, which should automatically forfeit your right to existence in my book.

"Homosexuality ― We affirm that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society and contributes to the breakdown of the family unit. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans."

You know, the one central question I've always had in regards to homosexuality breaking down civilization,threatening traditional marriage, etc., is how? If gay marriage is made legal, how will it destroy society? This assertion is made by conservative Christians on a daily basis, and has been so for decades, and yet there's never been a single scrap of proof for it. Because hey, if the Fuhrer All Mighty wants Jews homosexuals to be eradicated prohibited from marrying, who are we to question it or think about it? And yes, I broke Godwin's Law there, but it doesn't matter because the analogy is valid in this case.

"Family and Defense of Marriage ― We support the definition of marriage as a God-ordained, legal and moral commitment only between a natural man and a natural woman, which is the foundational unit of a healthy society, and we oppose the assault on marriage by judicial activists. We call on the President and Congress to take immediate action to defend the sanctity of marriage. We are resolute that Congress exercise authority under the United States Constitution, and pass legislation withholding jurisdiction from the Federal Courts in cases involving family law, especially any changes in the definition of marriage. We further call on Congress to pass and the state legislatures to ratify a marriage amendment declaring that marriage in the United States shall consist of and be recognized only as the union of a natural man and a natural woman. Neither the United States nor any state shall recognize or grant to any unmarried person the legal rights or status of a spouse. We oppose the recognition of and granting of benefits to people who represent themselves as domestic partners without being legally married. We advocate the repeal of laws that place an unfair tax burden on families. We call upon Congress to completely remove the marriage penalty in the tax code, whereby a married couple receives a smaller standard deduction than their unmarried counterparts living together. The primary family unit consists of those related by blood, heterosexual marriage, or adoption. The family is responsible for its own welfare, education, moral training, conduct, and property."

Submitted without comment.

"Pledge of Allegiance - We support adoption of the Pledge Protection Act. We also urge that the National Motto “In God We Trust” and National Anthem be protected from legislative and judicial attack."

That's not the national motto, you stupid douches. Our motto is "E Pluribis Unum", or "Many Out of One", so your fictional god can go fuck himself since he's a fascist, genocidal bigot whose values and personality as revealed in the old testament are utterly un-American and have far more in common with those of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and other Narcissist megalomaniacs. Congratulations; you just failed American history. Tender your resignations,assholes. Seriously.

"Protection from Extreme Environmentalists – We strongly oppose all efforts of the extreme environmental groups that stymie legitimate business interests. We strongly oppose those efforts that attempt to use the environmental causes to purposefully disrupt and stop those interests within the oil and gas industry. We strongly support the immediate repeal of the Endangered Species Act. We strongly oppose the listing of the dune sage brush lizard either as a threatened or an endangered species. We believe the Environmental Protection Agency should be abolished."

Right, because it's not like we need an "ecosystem" or something, right? Right? And don't forget, with no E.P.A. (i.e., some kind of government agency regulating the environment and enforcing laws designed to keep the planet, and by extension, our species safe and healthy), massive corporations can dump toxic waste in streams and rivers, so next time you're out camping, you better not let little Timmy go for a dip, or his dick might fall off. Dipshits.

"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

Translation: anything that makes your kids smarter and capable of thinking for themselves is to abolished and replaced with indoctrination that encourages blind, thoughtless acceptance of authority so that they'll do whatever we tell them to do and will make an excellent slave caste of useful idiots that has been intellectual castrated and thus poses no threat to us, and will make no protest as their rights are eroded and finally done away with altogether.

Everyone who signed to this should be taken out of office immediately. That Texans could even elect scum like this is mind-boggling.

Sex Education – We recognize parental responsibility and authority regarding sex education. We believe that parents must be given an opportunity to review the material prior to giving their consent. We oppose any sex education other than abstinence until marriage."

Despite the fact that abstinence only DOES NOT WORK. Mississippi has abstinence only sex ed, and guess what? They have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and abortion in the entire U.S. If you dildo lizards were genuinely "pro-life", and really wanted to end abortion, then you would pull your heads out of your asses and realize that safe sex is the ONLY working solution to teen pregnancy. People were having bastards in the 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s, and 20s, and have been having bastards since the dawn of time. The human sex drive is far stronger than any religion ever was, and cannot be denied. Unless you're willing to become a eunuch, or course, which I'll welcome in the case of everyone who signed this document.

"Traditional Principles in Education – We support school subjects with emphasis on the Judeo-Christian principles upon which America was founded and which form the basis of America’s legal, political and economic systems. We support curricula that are heavily weighted on original founding documents, including the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, and Founders’ writings."

You just failed American history... again. Our Constitution, which you mindless half-wits have been referencing throughout this dismal pit of anti-intellectual shit, is completely secular, and does not reference your shitty Christian death cult at any place. Since you are all ignorant, lying, retarded cunt monkeys, here is the preamble of the Constitution pasted for your reading pleasure, since any attempt to educate or enlighten you is doomed to fail;

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

"We the People...", I don't see anything about God, Jesus, the bible, or any other religious tripe. Then we have the No Religious Test Clause and the prohibitions placed on religion by the First Amendment; that Congress shall make no law respecting ANY establishment of religion. I know you don't care about the Constitution, or that is, any part that inconveniences your Dominionist agenda, but thankfully, this is not the Dark Ages, and we have a wall of separation between church and state.

"Safeguarding Our Religious Liberties – We affirm that the public acknowledgement of God is undeniable in our history and is vital to our freedom, prosperity and strength. We pledge our influence toward a return to the original intent of the First Amendment and toward dispelling the myth of separation of church and state. We urge the Legislature to increase the ability of faith-based institutions and other organizations to assist the needy and to reduce regulation of such organizations."

" Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." --Thomas Jefferson, January 1st, 1802. [source]

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." --Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11, 1796-1797. [source]

So, in this document, you have lied, distorted facts, and made clear your intentions to violate the rights of non-heterosexual citizens, revise American history for your own ends, alter the public education system in a blatantly un-Constitutional matter, and have conspired to commit treason against the United States in both word and deed. Anyone who votes for any of you is certifiably retarded.

NO GOOD IDIOTS

My shit don't stink! My shit don't stink! My shit don't stink!

"Sometimes in debates or discussions with atheists, the unbeliever uses the argument, “Well, you don’t have to believe in God to be moral.” In most cases, the Christian simply concedes the point and moves on.
I understand why we do this. I’ve even done it myself. However, I want to point out a flaw in our approach that can have serious consequences for the atheist we’re debating.
What’s the flaw? It comes down to this simple truth: There are actually no good atheists."

Hmm? I'm sorry, we're all bad people or something? Hmm. I feel like spaghetti for dinner...

"In the first place, I don’t buy the argument that atheists are good even when compared to the average lost person’s moral code. A person who denies the existence of a Creator has freed himself from any and all moral demands of a higher power. In their minds, they are free to do whatever they want, whenever they want."

Which is why we all run around raping, killing, and looting, 24/7, except for when we're having depraved orgies involving nun costumes and togas. Oh, that's not what we do? Then I guess you're full of shit, Mr. Wes Moore. Fact; ethics don't require religion, dumbass. Some people, unlike yourself, have grown past the need of having the truncheon of authority raised over their heads to ensure fair, decent behavior. We do unto others as we would have them treat us, because we're all in this together, and humanity has to survive as a group.

"If you could look into the secret places of many of their lives, I’m sure you would see a pattern of behavior that is far from moral.  As a former atheist, this was certainly the case in my life. Though I knew somewhere inside God was real, I rejected his (and, in fact, anyone else’s) authority over my life and allowed myself any form of sin I thought acceptable."

Your first bit is speculative drivel (not at all unusual for this guy's site).  I could just as easily say that if you could somehow gaze into the secret places of most Christians' lives, you would see a pattern that is completely amoral. But that doesn't prove squat. You claim that there are no good atheists, but since we conduct ourselves with just as much morality as you guys do (and in some cases, infinitely more) you must make up crap about how we hide it in our private lives. To which I say to you and everyone who  agrees with you; go fuck yourself. Secondly, if you felt that god was real, then you were never an atheist to begin with, since the definition of an atheist is someone who does not believe in gods. And even if you were, your personal experiences still wouldn't automatically apply to everyone else that shared the same view; you're projecting.

"Moreover, it is difficult enough to try to do what is right when you believe in God and fear his judgment. How much more difficult when you couldn’t care less!"

*sigh* By Cthulhu, what a propagandist you are. Do you clean your room because you're afraid of "judgement", or because you don't want to wake up to a smelly mess every morning? Eh? See my toilet analogy for more.

"However, even if you grant the argument that an atheist can be as ‘moral’ as any other lost person, from a biblical perspective you must realize they are not good at all. In fact, quite to the contrary, they are patently evil."

That's right, kiddies! You're patently evil for not accepting this beautiful, humane, long-running religion.

"Atheism is actually a form of idolatry. The idol in this case is man himself."

So by not worshiping the Hebrew Hitler of the bible, I worship myself instead? Wow! Thanks for letting me know. Maybe I can start my own church now and get tax breaks...

"In Romans 1:18-21, Paul says that mankind is without excuse for not knowing and worshipping the true God."

How, exactly, do we know this specific god is the One True Gahd ™? Care to explain how this mechanism works? We're breathlessly awaiting your explanation.


"Their rejection of what has been “made plain to them” leads them to create their own gods, which, in the end, are nothing more than an extension of themselves. In atheism, carved idols are not god, man is."

I guess Gawd forgot to send me the office memo, then; I've yet to see any credible evidence for the Christian Lich Cult*. And we've already established how stupid it is to assert that you just have to worship something, so if you don't have any gods, you worship yourself instead. Just because it's impossible for you to conceptualize a person whose life is not ruled by religion doesn't make it so. And I don't see any statistics or studies backing that up; just another lying christian hack with an axe to grind.

"These people, far from being moral, are called “godless” and “wicked” (v. 18)."

Is that the same bible that condones genocide, says non-virgins should be stoned to death, along with lazy teenagers, and people who pick up sticks on Saturday? What a wonderful source of moral wisdom.

" As an aside, based on this passage and others, I would argue that there is no such thing as an atheist. Atheists demonstrate the highest form of deception and hypocrisy, denying outwardly what they cannot avoid inwardly."

Based upon the bare assertions of a book filled to the brim with magical events, talking animals, resurrections,and impromptu violations of the laws of physics. That doesn't prove anything, Wes. Oh, and for that "inward" bit; [citation needed].

"Years ago when I was an atheist, I thought about God all the time. I couldn’t get away from the overwhelming evidence, both inwardly and outwardly, that my Creator existed."

So you believed god existed, but denied it? Then you were never an atheist to begin with.

"It’s the same with all atheists."

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You literally have nothing to back up your bullshit propaganda but projection.

"But, back to the point—what the Bible says about atheists. The Bible calls those who reject the existence of God “fools”"

And it also says that donkeys can talk, people can come back from the dead, walls be knocked down with trumpets, and the sun can stand still in the sky indefinitely. It's the stuff of stupidity, so naturally Wes and his mindless minions believe every word of it.

"“The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1)."

The wise man says it out loud. And as an aside, referencing your holy book to prove the validity of your holy book is circular logic. Now get back on the short bus, Forest.

"Furthermore, the Bible declares that even the work done by an atheist (the wicked) is evil: “…the plowing of the wicked is sin” (Proverbs 21:4)."

*Yawn* What a boring twit you are. So an atheist who spends his entire life working for the end of poverty and starvation is doing "evil plowing" or some shit, while a rotten, sanctimonious little shit like yourself who sits around lying, projecting, and churning out slanderous propaganda is one of the good guys? I'll pass on that, thanks. Who in their right mind would want to go to heaven with you anyway?

"Think about it—what could be more immoral than denying the existence of the being who created you, gives you health and food and opportunity, and even the very breath you use to deny his existence?"

That is why the evil, wicked idolaters known as Christians will be cast into the deepest pits of Tarturus for their terrible blasphemy against Lord Zeus, God of Gods and King of Kings (others can play your game too, Wes).

"The problem with accepting this argument and not pointing out the biblical truth that atheists are not moral, is that it can leave the atheist with a sense of self-righteousness."

Idiot, modern Christians are the self-proclaimed arbiters of all morality; nobody is more self-righteous than you guys. And biblical truth is no truth at all--just ancient myths with no evidence backing them up whatsoever.

"I know you don’t actually believe the atheist is righteous. And I know this isn’t what you’re actually saying when you concede this argument. But put yourself in the mind of the atheist. You, as the representative of the Bible and the true God, have just allowed for the possibility that he is, at least in some form, righteous."

Ah, so when atheists point out the fact that we're just as moral, if not more moral, than you guys, we're being self-righteous, but when you proclaim yourselves the representatives of god himself and say that there's no such thing as a good person if they don't share your worldview(saying in essence that you're the only good people on earth), there's nothing pompous and self-aggrandizing about that. And by your own religion, christians can still sin since only blaspheming the Holy Spirit is a mortal sin; which means that Hitler may very well be roasting weenies with Jesus right now. After all, a serial child rapist and killer can repent on his deathbed and go to heaven while someone like Gandhi will burn forever.

"How can conviction come in this case? What will the Spirit use to bring sorrow for sin?"

Your face, perhaps?

"In the end, our goal is not to win an intellectual argument (though the intellectual side of our faith is very important). Our goal is to lead lost souls in repentance to Jesus Christ for salvation. Sometimes we forget about that crucial goal when we’re engaged with an atheist."

What "intellectual side"? When it comes to matters of intellect, your "side" has two things; Jack and shit. And Jack's left town.

"We can't afford to do that."

Sounds like an excuse for being used as a Swiffer in every debate.

"The next time an atheist says, “You don’t have to believe in God to be moral,” look at it as an open door to share the gospel."

 

I realize that you're an honorless  propagandist and a piece of lying shit to boot, but even someone like you should know that most atheists in America were christians before they lost their faith, and know everything you're going to say about the gospels before you say it. And it's what, 70% of the population who are christians?

"Tell him he can’t be moral at all and deny the existence of his Creator."

How convenient it must be to  have a world-view allowing you to proclaim everyone else "evil". In that respect, christianty is quite similar to Nazism.

"Walk him through the arguments I’ve given in this article and the Bible passages I listed."

What arguments, swine? You've given nothing but baseless opinions that every atheist out there recognizes as a lie.

"And then tell him about the work of Jesus Christ on the cross on his behalf."

Because living in a country where three fourths of the population are Christians, he or she has never heard about JAY-SUSS.

“But, they might get mad!” So what! “They might not listen.” How does that change anything? “They might accuse me of being intolerant.” What else is new?

Why listen? We've all heard this shit a million times before, challenged it a million times before, and refuted it a million times before. Like I said, Cretinists form their opinions in a mental vacuum, even when they're not related to science.

"We’re not here to win a popularity contest. The truth is not popular, especially among atheists, whose true, heart-level problem is not that they don’t know if God exists, but that they do, and simply hate him for it."

Congratulations; you're a moron. Please take a cookie and remove yourself from the gene pool. Because for me to hate a god that I don't think exists is like hating Zeus or Thor for... something. Existing? I hate your imaginary god for existing? You're clearly ultra-desperate, aren't you? You're a bit sad, in an incredibly pathetic way.

"What could be more immoral than that?"

What? Being an ass-wit like you? I can concur with that.

"However, at a deeper level, his ultimate purpose is not pleasure for humanity; it is his own glory demonstrated by allowing sin to exist in the world, and ultimately punishing some for that sin and having mercy
on others."

What do you know? That's the christian god he just described! He created mankind for his own glory, with no purpose but to worship day and night, for all eternity. Thanks for admitting that if your god exists, he's a worthless, self-centered prick like you. 

http://zionica.com/2012/04/09/no-good-atheists/

*Jesus was a Lich, LOL.